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and paul ryan and tommy thompson. >> and what if they get e mitt romney and paul ryan and it is not tommy thompson. by that you may get elected and the polls are looking better for you but the senate doesn't go republican. it is harder is it not for even a president like romney, president romney to do something, right? >> there is no question it is harder. but i have been in washington when the presidency changed from democrat to republican under george bush and then from bill clinton to george w. bush and also when george w. bush won the second election. his relect and there is a tremendous and after the election which will be vitriolic and vicious, both political parties will come together with the idea they have to do better and there is a feeling of good will for who ever the president is and that will help us even if harry reid is in control of the u.s. senate which i hope never happens. >> hope springs eternal. of the wisconsin.from the we call would his opponent and never heard back. she is always welcome on here. and a lot more for what is at stake. we spent the better part
and paul ryan and tommy thompson. >> and what if they get e mitt romney and paul ryan and it is not tommy thompson. by that you may get elected and the polls are looking better for you but the senate doesn't go republican. it is harder is it not for even a president like romney, president romney to do something, right? >> there is no question it is harder. but i have been in washington when the presidency changed from democrat to republican under george bush and then from bill...
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the romney/ryan spending plan here. but last night martha raddatz's questioning and joe biden's badgering got paul ryan to disavow this plan altogether saying he does not want an increase at all despite the fact it is what he and mr. romney has been campaigning on. paul ryan broke new ground on saying how and why he and mitt romney would overturn roe v. wade and make abortion criminal. his issue on rape in particular has people going nuts today for obvious reasons. we'll be covering that in future shows. joe biden also dipped paul ryan in tar and rolled him in feathers on the issue of the stimulus. and mr. ryan's supposed principles on that issue. we talked about that moments ago with chris hayes. but there are two things that i think are hugely important to the presidential campaign that happened last night. two things that i, frankly, never thought we would get to. and that we got to and, boy, howdy, is this new territory. first was this. >> you asked, do i feel free? let me put it to you this way. i earned capital in
the romney/ryan spending plan here. but last night martha raddatz's questioning and joe biden's badgering got paul ryan to disavow this plan altogether saying he does not want an increase at all despite the fact it is what he and mr. romney has been campaigning on. paul ryan broke new ground on saying how and why he and mitt romney would overturn roe v. wade and make abortion criminal. his issue on rape in particular has people going nuts today for obvious reasons. we'll be covering that in...
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last night mitt romney and paul ryan played to a large crowd in lancaster, ohio. there was a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of excitement in the air. and in large part because they believe the republicans believe they've won these first two debates. governor mitt romney had a pretty strong performance out in denver ten days ago. paul ryan had a pretty solid performance two nights ago down in kentucky. but that excitement and energy notwithstanding there's a lot of work left to be done for this ticket here in ohio. the president still shows a lead here in ohio, even though that lead has been chipped into over the last week or two, by about half in some of these polls. putting mitt romney within striking distance of the president. now, he may still, mitt romney may still have a challenge, a hurdle to clear with some undecided voters here. and that's surrounding this auto bailout. the president of course supported that bailout, pushed it through. the president and his campaign says that bailout saved hundreds of thousands of jobs not just in detroit but here in ohio and el
last night mitt romney and paul ryan played to a large crowd in lancaster, ohio. there was a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of excitement in the air. and in large part because they believe the republicans believe they've won these first two debates. governor mitt romney had a pretty strong performance out in denver ten days ago. paul ryan had a pretty solid performance two nights ago down in kentucky. but that excitement and energy notwithstanding there's a lot of work left to be done for this ticket...
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struggles to avoid he struggled to avoid endorsing a second tax cut he struggled to avoid endorsing the ryan plan and he was pushed and pushed and pushed this latest incident with his foreign policy spokesman is is an example of this romney didn't want to see that person go but he couldn't quite mobilize them to keep them either but as his father george was kind of an eisenhower. as well his father george and his father george was a opponent of barry goldwater who in one thousand six hundred you supported you know who and what i remember george i grew up in michigan he was my governor in one thousand sixty four that george romney said i accept the goldwater nomination but i do not endorse him and he refused to campaign for him and that by the way is an important reason why he was in the nominee in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight and young mitt who is his father's. was father's closest political allies a brilliant man their very youngest son their very very close learned his father was too blunt too confrontational and his father alternately lost the big prize too to what extent has has
struggles to avoid he struggled to avoid endorsing a second tax cut he struggled to avoid endorsing the ryan plan and he was pushed and pushed and pushed this latest incident with his foreign policy spokesman is is an example of this romney didn't want to see that person go but he couldn't quite mobilize them to keep them either but as his father george was kind of an eisenhower. as well his father george and his father george was a opponent of barry goldwater who in one thousand six hundred...
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in wisconsin that is where paul ryan is from, mitt romney's running mate. that is only a 2-point race in wisconsin. you have to remember, this is state where back in june there was recall election against scott walker. he won the race. he demoralized the democrats. a lot of activists were saying because president obama didn't come strong in favor of the democratic candidate, it demoralized a lot of democrats there. turnout could be very important. if the democratic turnout is not high, you might see mitt romney win that state. >> patti ann: meanwhile, florida where he is romney is enjoying a 2% advantage. we have david plouffe saying, we are going to get the senior citizens and hispanics. we are going to get florida? >> it's a crucial state for romney to win, one of two of most crucial states, florida and ohio. there is another poll out, tampa bay times poll that shows romney is up by 7. obama campaign disputes the poll that the hispanic voters are not as close as that poll shows. that is pretty significant lead in florida with rom up 7. he certainly as the
in wisconsin that is where paul ryan is from, mitt romney's running mate. that is only a 2-point race in wisconsin. you have to remember, this is state where back in june there was recall election against scott walker. he won the race. he demoralized the democrats. a lot of activists were saying because president obama didn't come strong in favor of the democratic candidate, it demoralized a lot of democrats there. turnout could be very important. if the democratic turnout is not high, you...
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big jump, 4 out of 5 polls, mitt romney and paul ryan lead. have you big poll numbers in florida and virginia, showing people in just a second. abc and cbs admits the ticket is gaining ground, post debate. nbc, no, not much of an impact at ms-nbc. >> florida, ohio and virginia, battleground states. what we see on the screen, a tight, tight, dead heat in florida and in virginia. in ohio, you still see the president hanging on to a lead. i guess you could say that romney has the trend line, but ohio is still a problem. >> another factor in all three of these polls, over 90% said the debate made no difference. 6, 7 and 7% respectively who said the debates mattered to their vote. that is, not as helpful to romney as he might have hoped. >> the debate has not as much of an impact. >> sean: i was thinking that if joe biden loses and 25 day, i am thinking that nbc news -- it's a perfect place for an unhinged, over-the-top, extreme leftist. he would be perfect over there. >> chuck todd, the political director of nbc news labeled the rasmussen poll, qu
big jump, 4 out of 5 polls, mitt romney and paul ryan lead. have you big poll numbers in florida and virginia, showing people in just a second. abc and cbs admits the ticket is gaining ground, post debate. nbc, no, not much of an impact at ms-nbc. >> florida, ohio and virginia, battleground states. what we see on the screen, a tight, tight, dead heat in florida and in virginia. in ohio, you still see the president hanging on to a lead. i guess you could say that romney has the trend line,...
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debate, i don't think there's any doubt that congressman ryan and i, governor romney and the president, we have a fundamentally different vision for america. and quite frankly a fundamentally different value set. >> woodruff: democrats had been down after president obama's performance last week, but the vice-president aggressively challenged every point ryan made, prompting this exchange. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress... >> ( laughs ) >> ...to make up for lost ground, but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> well, don't take all the four minutes, then. >> woodruff: the president was quick to hail that performance immediately after the debate. >> i thought joe biden was terrific tonight. i could not be prouder of him. i thought he made a very strong case. >> woodruff: republican ryan sounded upbeat about how he'd done at a diner this morning before leaving lexington, kentucky. >> i felt great about it. >> reporter: did you feel knocked around by him? >> no, it's what i expected. >> woodruff: and mitt romney prais
debate, i don't think there's any doubt that congressman ryan and i, governor romney and the president, we have a fundamentally different vision for america. and quite frankly a fundamentally different value set. >> woodruff: democrats had been down after president obama's performance last week, but the vice-president aggressively challenged every point ryan made, prompting this exchange. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress... >> ( laughs ) >>...
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that's perhaps why we saw governor romney and paul ryan reuniting last night in lancaster, ohio. big crowd down there, about 8,500 jammed into the town square. but there is some ground to be made up for this campaign. polls show that president obama is still holding a lead over governor romney in ohio. but those polls also show that the governor is closing in, within striking distance now of the president. speaking of the president, he also was in ohio this week and admitted publicly that he had a bad night out in denver for that first presidential debate. obviously a lot of republicans and democrats agreed with his assessment. the president said he was too polite and that voters can expect him to see him being a lot more active in the second debate up at hofstra university in new york. back here in ohio, paul ryan's got a big day here. he's got two stops in ohio, starting with this rally a little later this morning, and then he'll go up to minnesota before ending the night in wisconsin. he's expected to take sunday off the trail, little rest for the weary, if you will. >>> earli
that's perhaps why we saw governor romney and paul ryan reuniting last night in lancaster, ohio. big crowd down there, about 8,500 jammed into the town square. but there is some ground to be made up for this campaign. polls show that president obama is still holding a lead over governor romney in ohio. but those polls also show that the governor is closing in, within striking distance now of the president. speaking of the president, he also was in ohio this week and admitted publicly that he...
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the romney-ryan ticket has been spending more time in ohio than in the country. here is a little bit from governor romney at his last event. thehis president on friday the administration was to put out hasanswer to the question chas china manipulated their currency or not. they were supposed to designate that on friday. they said we will not do that. we will wait until after the election to do that. seven times so far they passed the buck on that. i'm not going to pass that off. on day one i will label china a currency manipulator and get serious about making sure that people don't cheat when it comes to trade. >> reporter: the obama administration asserted that doing such tough crackdowns on china could lead to a trade war of the fastest growing economy in the word and they said that mr. romney hasn't been entirely pure when it comes to doing business with china himself in his private life and private business experience. the romney campaign says it is all excuses and time for the u.s. government to stop putting up with china's trade practices and currency manip
the romney-ryan ticket has been spending more time in ohio than in the country. here is a little bit from governor romney at his last event. thehis president on friday the administration was to put out hasanswer to the question chas china manipulated their currency or not. they were supposed to designate that on friday. they said we will not do that. we will wait until after the election to do that. seven times so far they passed the buck on that. i'm not going to pass that off. on day one i...
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congressman ryan made it clear that governor romney has a very different view. although he said he thinks we should get out in 2014, although he said that that makes sense, he says we should never have announced that, and i might add if we did not, the afghans would not step up, and when asked if we could guarantee to get out, he said it depends. you heard it. it depends on the situation on the ground. ladies, it depends on nothing other than a date. it is time for the afghanis to take care of their own responsibilities. like almost everything, it depends on which day you ask him the question. it depends on the circumstances. it was not just on foreign policy it depends. it was also their attitude about what constitutes a fair tax code, what is a reasonable budget, whether or not even to cut the budget. congressman ryan is saying although they passed the budget in the house which did not become law, which cut 19%, eviscerating education, he said that is not a cut, it is just a smaller increase. i want to tell that all to your parents when they no longer take a $
congressman ryan made it clear that governor romney has a very different view. although he said he thinks we should get out in 2014, although he said that that makes sense, he says we should never have announced that, and i might add if we did not, the afghans would not step up, and when asked if we could guarantee to get out, he said it depends. you heard it. it depends on the situation on the ground. ladies, it depends on nothing other than a date. it is time for the afghanis to take care of...
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. >> like paul ryan, mitt romney also in ohio today. he is holding a pair of rallies, an indication of how critical the buckeye state and its 18 electoral votes are. president obama in virginia where he'll be preparing for the next campaign. the obama campaign has another tv ad out. it's narrated by none other than morgan freeman, the voice of vee a and the voice of god. >> every president inherits challenges. few have faced so many. four years later, our enemies have been brought to justice, our heros are coming home. assembly lines are humming again. >> and before you start sending your e-mails, the morgan freeman, of course, played god in "bruce almighty," just so you know. >>> the president landed in virginia a few moments ago. we're told he has no public meeting plans. kristen welker joining us. krist kristen, good saturday to you. >> good saturday to you. >> the president hunkering down for debate prep. what are you hearing about what he plans to do a little bit differently this time? >> reporter: well, craig, after that first deb
. >> like paul ryan, mitt romney also in ohio today. he is holding a pair of rallies, an indication of how critical the buckeye state and its 18 electoral votes are. president obama in virginia where he'll be preparing for the next campaign. the obama campaign has another tv ad out. it's narrated by none other than morgan freeman, the voice of vee a and the voice of god. >> every president inherits challenges. few have faced so many. four years later, our enemies have been brought...
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a lot of folks were worried that ryan would overshadow mitt romney earlier in the campaign. i think that now there's a sense of him as a solid junior partner who is qualified for the job, but is not overshadowing his senior partner. >> very interesting conversation. thank you both. >> thank you. >>> she is being called pakistan's daughter. a 14-year-old who spoke out for her rights on education is now fighting for her life and is inspiring a nation. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're lucky, it's not every day you find a companion as loyal as a subaru. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. energy is being produced to power our lives. while energy development comes with some risk, north america's natural gas producers are committed to safely and responsibly providing generations of cleaner-burning energy for our country, drilling thousands of feet below fresh water sources within self-contained well systems. and, using state-of-the-art monitoring technologies, rigorous practices help ensure our operations are safe and clean for our communities and the environment. we're america's natural g
a lot of folks were worried that ryan would overshadow mitt romney earlier in the campaign. i think that now there's a sense of him as a solid junior partner who is qualified for the job, but is not overshadowing his senior partner. >> very interesting conversation. thank you both. >> thank you. >>> she is being called pakistan's daughter. a 14-year-old who spoke out for her rights on education is now fighting for her life and is inspiring a nation. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're lucky,...
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you asked corey how will the romney/ryan plan help job creation. he didn't answer it. he attacked the obama administration. that's what we see time and time again by the radical romney plan is that they have no specifics. the fact of the matter is over the last 31 months, we've had private sector job growth, created 5.1 million new jobs. and as of last friday, we had the lowest unemployment rate we've enjoyed in the last four years. does more need to happen? of course it does. but that's why the president is going to win virginia, because he is talking about growing the middle class out and talking about job creation and strengthening our economy in ways that will invest for the future. he has a plan. the other side doesn't. it's resonating in virginia. and we're going to make history again in virginia and deliver to it barack obama. >> corey, the thinking was at the beginning of this campaign, the thinking was that the governor would be able to essentially run on the economy, that the unemployment numbers and that people's perceptions of the economy, that they were go
you asked corey how will the romney/ryan plan help job creation. he didn't answer it. he attacked the obama administration. that's what we see time and time again by the radical romney plan is that they have no specifics. the fact of the matter is over the last 31 months, we've had private sector job growth, created 5.1 million new jobs. and as of last friday, we had the lowest unemployment rate we've enjoyed in the last four years. does more need to happen? of course it does. but that's why...
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but it's a pattern with ryan and romney. he tried to cut veterans benefit 1/1%. when heroes come back, paul ryan was one of only 12 congressmen of 435 that voted against the post-9/11 g.i. bill. >> why is that important? when you have veterans every single day committing suicide because we ask them to take on our safety and we don't cake care of them. you can't have it both was. you can't turn around and criticize when we could do more. >> i hate to interrupt. there's a new ad out today. this one -- it's a positive issues ad about the president. i want to play a clip and talk about it on the other side. take a look, listen to the question. >> few have faced so many. four years later, our enemies have been brought to justice. our heroes are coming home. assembly lines are humming again. >> "time" magazine columnist joe klein wrote earlier this week the president needs to, quote, descend from the mountaintop and make his best case for keeping the job. is this the best strategy shift we're seeing today? >> i think so. he needs to let paem know unlike mitt romney who
but it's a pattern with ryan and romney. he tried to cut veterans benefit 1/1%. when heroes come back, paul ryan was one of only 12 congressmen of 435 that voted against the post-9/11 g.i. bill. >> why is that important? when you have veterans every single day committing suicide because we ask them to take on our safety and we don't cake care of them. you can't have it both was. you can't turn around and criticize when we could do more. >> i hate to interrupt. there's a new ad out...
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what do romney/ryan need to do at hoff stra. this is barack obama's territory. he likes the town hall meetings. i think he will feel a lot more comfortable and go on the attack? >> he does. but i think one of the reasons we saw a sort of reduced barack obama, if you will, in the last debate is because he has a tendence tow come off as arrogant and smug and petty, almost as if he can't believe someone would have the audacity to disagree with his opinion. that's what he has to avoid. i think he was toned down in denver because he was advised not to be that barack obama. don't be overly arrogant toward rim rim. now he has to find that balance, which i don't think joe biden found last night. i think saturday night live will have a great skit -- >> don't count on it. >> well, you are probably right. but he's got to be able to do that. he has to be able to take the bite, like joe biden did -- joe biden took the fight to paul ryan. romney has to do exactly what he did in denver. he has to be the person he is. mitt romney we saw in the primary, the one who defined himse
what do romney/ryan need to do at hoff stra. this is barack obama's territory. he likes the town hall meetings. i think he will feel a lot more comfortable and go on the attack? >> he does. but i think one of the reasons we saw a sort of reduced barack obama, if you will, in the last debate is because he has a tendence tow come off as arrogant and smug and petty, almost as if he can't believe someone would have the audacity to disagree with his opinion. that's what he has to avoid. i...
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. >> it's time romney and ryan and the republican congress take a pledge to the middle class people, saying we're going to level the playing field. >>reporter: a day after a spirited vice presidential debate: >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of malarky. >> watch out, middle class, the tax bill is coming to you. >>reporter: both candidates headed back to the campaign trail. >> i feel great. >>reporter: paul ryan stopped for breakfast with his family before teaming up with mitt romney in ohio. >> there was one person on the stage with thoughtfulness who was respectful [ cheers and applause ] >> who was steady and poised. >>reporter: the obama campaign says the vice president walked away with the win, but friday the white house had to defend his answer about the deadly attack in benghazi, libya. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. >>reporter: former security officials testified this week that they had asked for more manpower. >> he's doubling down on denial and we need to understand exactly what happened. >>reporter: white house officials defended the vice president. >>
. >> it's time romney and ryan and the republican congress take a pledge to the middle class people, saying we're going to level the playing field. >>reporter: a day after a spirited vice presidential debate: >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of malarky. >> watch out, middle class, the tax bill is coming to you. >>reporter: both candidates headed back to the campaign trail. >> i feel great. >>reporter: paul ryan stopped for breakfast with his...
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at each event today, mitt romney and paul ryan have been trying to thump mr. obama for his absence of leadership on this, they say. here is a sampling from earlier today at mr. romney's convenient in portsmouth, ohio. >> over the past several years, the president failed to call china a currency manipulator. he had the occasion on friday to come out with that official designation. you know what they said? we're not going to make any determination until after the election. let me tell you, on day one of my administration, i will label china a currency manipulator. >> here in ohio, that is a particularly potent attack because the manufacturing base had taken such a hit over the past few years, both in the obama economy and before. paul ryan was campaigning today in youngtown, ohio. he made the point that mr. obama has had a number of chances to take steps to crack down on china and passed on them. watch. >> the administration had their eighth chance to label china a currency manipulator. it's due in two days. they say they're going to push this deadline off until
at each event today, mitt romney and paul ryan have been trying to thump mr. obama for his absence of leadership on this, they say. here is a sampling from earlier today at mr. romney's convenient in portsmouth, ohio. >> over the past several years, the president failed to call china a currency manipulator. he had the occasion on friday to come out with that official designation. you know what they said? we're not going to make any determination until after the election. let me tell you,...
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now, governor romney and paul ryan reunited on the trail last night in ran coster, ohio. big crowd down there, alex, last night. about 8500 according to the campaign. very enthusiastic, very energetic. there is a lot of work to be made up here for this romney campaign. polls show that the governor still trails the president but he has cut into that lead by about half over the last couple of weeks. and we can also tell you that both paul ryan and mitt romney were on the record yesterday about this situation down in libya, and what vice president joe biden said in thursday night's debate. the republicans believe they caught him contradicting the state department. listen to what these two republicans had to say on the trail yesterday. >> the vice president directly contradicted the sworn testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. >> this is not what leadership looks like. we need clarity, not confusion. we need accountability, and no more excuses. >>> now ohio may ultimately be the state that turns this election one way or another. as we mentioned
now, governor romney and paul ryan reunited on the trail last night in ran coster, ohio. big crowd down there, alex, last night. about 8500 according to the campaign. very enthusiastic, very energetic. there is a lot of work to be made up here for this romney campaign. polls show that the governor still trails the president but he has cut into that lead by about half over the last couple of weeks. and we can also tell you that both paul ryan and mitt romney were on the record yesterday about...
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but the romney/ryan team all of a sudden sees an opening. not on the economy, which is improving. but rather, the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya, which resulted in the death of the ambassador and three other americans. >> he is doubling down on denial. when the vice president of the united states directly contradicts the testimony, sworn testimony of state department officials, american citizens have a right to know just what's going on. >> reporter: romney was referring to the debate. one of the first questions from abc's martha raddatz. asking joe biden why there wasn't more security in benghazi, libya. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> reporter: who is the we in that statement? just the white house, says the president's spokesman. >> good morning, everyone. >> reporter: this story has such a big chance of spinning out of control, that secretary of state clinton, went before cameras to try and explain. >> to this day, we do not have a complete picture. >> reporter: the romney's team move, part of a search for undec
but the romney/ryan team all of a sudden sees an opening. not on the economy, which is improving. but rather, the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya, which resulted in the death of the ambassador and three other americans. >> he is doubling down on denial. when the vice president of the united states directly contradicts the testimony, sworn testimony of state department officials, american citizens have a right to know just what's going on. >> reporter: romney was referring to...
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for example, many of us democrats going into florida and making clear the message that the romney/ryan plan ends medicare tor future retirees as the "wall street journal" reported or going into the key states like ohio and talking about how the automotive bailout under president obama's leadership saved the economy of that state and helped to rebuild it and many midwestern states, so it is using those resources to target individuals in the neighborhoods and knocking on doors the and phone banks, and we know that t plays a role, but connecting the issues with the voter. that is the challenge, and the real challenge for the democrats is to tack tor factor in the su money, because we will see $17 billion flood the system. we have to be on the ground and aggressive. >> we will see if the campaign takes your advice. thank you, robert zimmerman. >> thank you. >>> and los angeles is saying hello to the newest star resident. the spaceship "endeavour" is rolling through tinsel town on the latest mission. find out where it is headed. we will have a live report straight ahead. ♪ into a high-tec
for example, many of us democrats going into florida and making clear the message that the romney/ryan plan ends medicare tor future retirees as the "wall street journal" reported or going into the key states like ohio and talking about how the automotive bailout under president obama's leadership saved the economy of that state and helped to rebuild it and many midwestern states, so it is using those resources to target individuals in the neighborhoods and knocking on doors the and...
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the romney campaign now denouncing a racially charged t-shirt someone wore to a romney/ryan rally. he was photographed wearing a shirt saying put the white back in the white house. as you see right there. a campaign spokesman told cnn the shirt is reprehensible and has no place in the election. no one from the romney team saw the shirt at that event. >> meantime, more doping accusations against lance armstrong, a former teammate and cycling team in the suit speaking out. >> and hitchhiking goes digital. new apps that let you get a ride with your smartphone. >>> and later, an update on tim mcgraw's efforts to help wounded veterans get home. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] at&t. the nation's largest 4g network. now covering 3000 more 4g cities and towns than verizon. at&t. rethink possible. the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the new 2013 ram 1500. ♪ with the best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ guts. glory. ram. turn to senokot-s tablets. senokot-s has a natural vegetable laxative ingredient plus the comfort of a s
the romney campaign now denouncing a racially charged t-shirt someone wore to a romney/ryan rally. he was photographed wearing a shirt saying put the white back in the white house. as you see right there. a campaign spokesman told cnn the shirt is reprehensible and has no place in the election. no one from the romney team saw the shirt at that event. >> meantime, more doping accusations against lance armstrong, a former teammate and cycling team in the suit speaking out. >> and...